Summary DVA24AK+AP Relation Speakers: Colleagues List of Topics: Bullfights, Biology, Fieldwork, Religion, Science, Logic, Science Fiction, Philosophy Summary: 2 Speakers (M29AK and M31AP) M31AP starts the conversation by saying that he thinks that bullfights are awful. He does not like the way bull fighters engage in a fight with a bull, he thinks that they are cowards. He thinks that it is perhaps an idea to put the bullfighters together in one arena. He says that this is the biologist in him. M29AK says that most biologists don’t mind that animals are killed. He knows a lot of biologists who are not vegetarians as a matter of principle. M31AP says that as a biologist you know that people are omnivores and that it is unnatural to only eat plants. They talk about a fieldwork trip they went on together. A couple of colleagues took some samples of rare plants and insects with them. They talk about people they both know. They mention an old friend, that he had a good sense of humour. This brings up some memories. M29AK said that he was really good at his profession. M31AP says that he can only remember that he was a Christian. This reminds them of a fellow student. M31AP says that if you are religious you should not look for evidence that might question religion. They discuss their views on religion and science. In science something is first proven and then it is believed, but it can also be the other way around. M31AP says that science is a kind of religion, because a scientist believes in a kind of logic, but he does not know if this is always valid. M29AK says that certain laws of nature may change. M31AP says that he really likes Science Fiction films, because it gives more freedom than science. M29AK asks why he never studied philosophy. M31AP says that this was the only course that he was not really good at. They talk about philosophy.